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发表于 2012-5-3 02:57:30 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
U.S is not going to protect him further if he keeps doing so.

http://news.yahoo.com/ap-exclusive-activist-now-wants-leave-china-150602853.html
BEIJING (AP) — The blind Chinese activist at the center of a six-day diplomatic tussle between the U.S. and China said he fears for his family's lives and wants to leave China, hours after American officials announced an agreement with Beijing that was to guarantee his safety.

Chen Guangcheng escaped from illegal house arrest and other mistreatment in his rural town, placing himself under the protection of U.S. diplomats last week. On Wednesday, after six days holed up inside the American embassy, he emerged and was taken to a nearby hospital. U.S. officials said they had extracted from the Chinese government a promise that Chen would reunite with his family and be allowed to start a new life in a university town.

Hours later, however, a shaken Chen told The Associated Press in a telephone interview from his hospital room that U.S. officials told him the Chinese authorities would have sent his family back to his home province if he remained inside the embassy. He added that, at one point, the U.S. officials told him his wife would have been beaten to death.

"I think we'd like to rest in a place outside of China," Chen said, appealing again for help from U.S. officials. "Help my family and me leave safely."

State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said in a statement that no U.S. official spoke to Chen about physical or legal threats to his wife and children. Nor did the Chinese relay any such threats to American diplomats, she said. She did confirm that the Chinese intended to return his family to their home province of Shandong, where they had been detained illegally and beaten by local officials angry over Chen's campaigns to expose forced abortions, and that they would lose any chance of being reunited.

"At every opportunity, he expressed his desire to stay in China, reunify with his family, continue his education and work for reform in his country," Nuland said. "All our diplomacy was directed at putting him in the best possible position to achieve his objectives."

The differing accounts could not be immediately reconciled. But the turn in Chen's fate comes after nearly seven years of prison, house arrest and abusive treatment of him and his family members by local officials.

Chen's flight into the protection of U.S. diplomats in Beijing last week had created a delicate diplomatic crisis for Washington and Beijing. It also threatened to derail annual U.S.-China strategic talks with U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton starting Thursday.

Under the agreement that ended the fraught, behind-the-scenes standoff, U.S. officials said China agreed to let Chen and his family be relocated to a safe place in China where he could study at university, and that his treatment by local officials would be investigated.

Chen, 40, said he never asked to leave China or for asylum in the U.S. and said American officials reassured him they would accompany him out of the embassy. At the hospital, Chen was reunited with his wife, his daughter and a son he hasn't seen in at least two years. But after they got to his room in Chaoyang Hospital, he said no U.S. officials stayed behind and that the family is now scared and wants to leave the country.

"The embassy told me that they would have someone accompany me the whole time," he said. "But today when I got to the ward, I found that there was not a single embassy official here, and so I was very unsatisfied. I felt they did not tell me the truth on this issue."

He also took issue with another facet of the U.S. version of his departure — that on his way to the hospital Clinton called him and he told her in halting English "I want to kiss you."

"I told Clinton that I want to see her now. I said" — he said speaking in Chinese. Then switching to English he said, "I want to see you now."

Chen had become an international symbol for human dignity after running afoul of local government officials for exposing forced abortions carried out as part of China's one-child policy. He served four years in prison on what supporters said were fabricated charges and was then kept under house arrest with his wife, daughter and mother, with the adults often being roughed by officials and his daughter searched and harassed.

His dogged pursuit of justice and the mistreatment of him by what seemed like vengeful local authorities brought him attention from the U.S. and foreign governments and earned him supporters among many ordinary Chinese.

The differences over his security aside, leaving Chen in China is risky for President Barack Obama. Washington will now be seen as party to an agreement on Chen's safety that it does not have the power to enforce.

Ai Xiaoming, a documentary filmmaker and activist, said the Chinese government fails to ensure people's rights, so the best solution would be for Chen and his family to go to America.

"In the first place, Chen Guangcheng should not have to ask a foreign country to protect his rights. His rights should be protected by his own country, through the constitution. But it is obvious that this cannot be done," Ai said. "I feel that the U.S. has always accepted political refugees, it has always provided asylum, so I hope to see Chen Guangcheng safely leave."

Clinton said in a statement that Chen's exit from the embassy "reflected his choices and our values" and said the U.S. would monitor the assurances Beijing gave. "Making these commitments a reality is the next crucial task," she said.

The discrepancies also muddy an agreement that would have shelved, at least temporarily, a predicament that threatened to move human rights to the front of a U.S.-China agenda crowded with disagreements over trade imbalances, North Korea and Syria.

With Chen out of the way, in theory, Clinton, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and their Chinese counterparts would be set to focus on the original purpose of their two-day talks starting Thursday: building trust between the world's superpower and its up-and-coming rival.

Even so, the Chinese Foreign Ministry signaled its pique with the affair, demanding that the U.S. apologize, investigate how Chen got into the embassy and hold those responsible accountable.

"What the U.S. side has done has interfered in the domestic affairs of China, and the Chinese side will never accept it," Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Weimin said in a statement.

Senior U.S. officials, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss the intense negotiations that led to Chen leaving the embassy, said the U.S. helped Chen get into the embassy because he injured his leg escaping from his village. In the embassy, Chen did not request safe passage out of China or asylum in the U.S., the officials said.

The officials refused to say if Washington would apologize. One official said that embassy staff acted "lawfully" and in conformity with policy, suggesting that the U.S. does not believe it has anything to apologize for.

The arrangements for Chen carries risks as well for China's government, which worries about encouraging activists and government critics.

As news spread that he had been taken to the hospital, in the eastern part of the city, media crews and a few supporters gathered outside. A man stood in front of the gate at the hospital and held up a sign saying "Freedom for Guangcheng, Democracy for China" for a minute before police took him inside. The hospital's name became a banned search term on the much-censored Chinese Internet, joining a long list of permutations for Chen's name.

The U.S. officials said Chen would be settled outside his home province of Shandong and have several university options to choose from. They also said that the Chinese government had promised to treat Chen "like any other student in China" and would investigate allegations of abuse against him and his family by local authorities.

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发表于 2012-5-3 03:11:00 | 显示全部楼层
谁在说谎? 是陈光诚? 美联社? 还是国务院发言人?

这是第二件说明美国不愿意卷入与中国正面对抗的事。 昨天,美国正式表态在南海争执中不偏向任何一方。这虽说是美国的一贯立场,但在那种场合重申一遍,还是有其意图的。
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发表于 2012-5-3 06:25:57 | 显示全部楼层
回复 2# 袜贩


美联社说谎的肯能性几乎不存在。
第一,在美联社报道之前,小陈在米国的朋友已经放出同样的话,说是小陈在电话中说如此

第二,电话采访当有录音记录。
第三,没有动机

即使是真的,小陈说出来,已经对小陈不利。
如果是小陈捏造的,那就更不利。
所以,除非小陈是傻冒,不应该说谎。
咱对小陈其人一无所知,不敢说他一定不是傻冒。
不过,傻到这份上的可能性应该不大。
否则,还怎么把自己打造成维权人士?

"小陈不出来就打死他老婆"这种话是不可能公开说的。
中国官员不可能对米国官员说这种话。
如果中国官员有机会同小陈直接对话,势必在米国的监听之下,所以,中国官员也不可能对小陈作如此威胁。

只有米方有机会同小陈直接对话而无第三方在场。
所以,只有米可能假传这样的威胁。

不过,也很有可能谁都没说谎。
不能低估米方的说话技巧。
米方很可能只是说:如果你老婆被遣返山东老家,被打死我们也管不着了。
小陈有理由把这话理解为:如果我老婆被遣返,会被打死。
米方可以否认传达过这样的威胁,因为米方说的只是假设。

米方有放出“ 如果你老婆被遣返山东老家,被打死我们也管不着了”这种话的动机。
因为目前的解决方式是对米、中两国政府而言的最佳的解决方式。
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发表于 2012-5-3 08:24:49 | 显示全部楼层
这位陈赤脚律师可能有点天真,另一种可能是要戳穿老美所谓民主的花言巧语。
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发表于 2012-5-3 09:05:53 | 显示全部楼层
     来源:滕彪微博

     我(滕彪)问光诚:有消息说你受到了威胁?他说:对,非常对。今天下午在朝阳医院,外交部的人威胁说,如果你不离开美国使馆,袁伟静和孩子就要送回山东。

     陈光诚说,送袁伟静来的山东官员就在附近,还没回去。
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发表于 2012-5-3 09:11:29 | 显示全部楼层
回复 4# mofun

后一种可能应该不成立,因为他同时还在要求来美国避难。
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发表于 2012-5-3 09:14:01 | 显示全部楼层
回复 5# 澳洲大头


遣返之说,米国官方也说如此。
但是,小陈说的威胁是打死。遣返不等于打死。

遣返不构成寻求政治庇护的理由,打死才成。
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发表于 2012-5-3 09:44:15 | 显示全部楼层
回复  澳洲大头


遣返之说,米国官方也说如此。
但是,小陈说的威胁是打死。遣返不等于打死。

遣返不构 ...
柞里子 发表于 2012-5-3 09:14


打死也好,遣返也好,感觉我们那儿的政府有些太LM了。。。。。。。。
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发表于 2012-5-3 09:52:33 | 显示全部楼层
回复 8# 澳洲大头


那是另一问题。
如果政府奉公守法,这事情根本就不可能发生。


这里说的是:小陈捅出这话,于他自己不利。
他现在直接向小奥求援,以为小奥会与克婆娘不同。。。傻呀!
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发表于 2012-5-3 10:20:40 | 显示全部楼层
回复  澳洲大头


那是另一问题。
如果政府奉公守法,这事情根本就不可能发生。


这里说的是:小陈捅出这 ...
柞里子 发表于 2012-5-3 09:52


唉。。。。。。陈很聪明,但他毕竟是个盲人,坐了那么多年牢,又被软禁迫害这么长时间,对外界的了解有限,不像我们有这么充分的信息资源,和没有压力的自由思考。在这种两个超级大国博弈的夹缝中,真的难为他了。。。。。

不过这个事件还没完,情节不输薄剧。。。。。。扑朔迷离。。。。。静观事态发展,进一步的爆料。。。。。。。曾金燕说:情况相当复杂。
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发表于 2012-5-3 10:27:21 | 显示全部楼层
回复 10# 澳洲大头


盲同智力没有关系。
知识与盲也没有关系。

他曾经以访问学者身份来过米国。不是没见过世面的LT
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发表于 2012-5-3 10:32:35 | 显示全部楼层
回复  澳洲大头


盲同智力没有关系。
知识与盲也没有关系。

他曾经以访问学者身份来过米国。不是没见过 ...
柞里子 发表于 2012-5-3 10:27


盲,肯定影响信息的获取,比如不能像正常人那样上网。
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发表于 2012-5-3 10:36:47 | 显示全部楼层
回复 12# 澳洲大头


很多不盲的人也不上网,包括很多所谓高级知识分子。嘿嘿
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发表于 2012-5-3 10:47:05 | 显示全部楼层
回复  澳洲大头


很多不盲的人也不上网,包括很多所谓高级知识分子。嘿嘿 ...
柞里子 发表于 2012-5-3 10:36



    那是,很多不盲的人也不搞摄影。所以盲不影响摄影。。。。。。。老柞就是高!
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发表于 2012-5-3 11:04:31 | 显示全部楼层
那是,很多不盲的人也不搞摄影。所以盲不影响摄影。。。。。。。老柞就是高! ...
澳洲大头 发表于 2012-5-3 10:47



   你们怎么在两处扭上了? 我都看不过来了
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