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UWB

BTW Guardian is also not so well regarded. It is known for its extreme left views and one of editors ...
问题多 发表于 2010-7-9 18:40

it all depends on who you're asking, doesn't it..

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difference nr.2   chinese news papers are owned and operated (mostly??) by the state.. ...
UWB 发表于 2010-7-9 18:47

   doesn't matter. human right is human right. the state cannot persecute an individual for making speeches and so does the private company. if she can find a good lawyer, she can sue the company and get a nice compensation. it is like fighting against sexual harassment. being a private employer does not mean that you can do whatever you like to your employee.

UWB

doesn't matter. human right is human right. the state cannot persecute an individual for makin ...
问题多 发表于 2010-7-9 18:52

sure a private company can do whatever they like with their employee, and take care of the consequences - e.g. being sued.

The point is, or rather points, are the following:
1. Nasr actually can SUE CNN if she wants to, we'll see how this will turn out. Try suing the Chinese government.

2. The general barking of the NGO human rights activities on China is predominately focusing on the relationship between the individual and the state.

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it all depends on who you're asking, doesn't it..
UWB 发表于 2010-7-9 18:49

   That is a mostly read by Labour loyalists. Its biased stand is known in Britain. That is why in the academic circle one usually winks before he/she quotes from Guardian. a most recent case was that they reported that one of China's human right activists was beaten to death, but actually he was not. but the piece of news was quoted by many other media. as a result, the chief editor had to go to China in person to apologise. but at least he has been to China once.

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sure a private company can do whatever they like with their employee, and take care of the consequ ...
UWB 发表于 2010-7-9 18:58

suing government is not a taboo in China. only in Zhejiang Province, in the last 2 years, there are more than 8000 cases of ordinary people suing the government.

also, the government can also do whatever it likes to people, and take the consequences: revolution is one.

UWB

suing government is not a taboo in China. only in Zhejiang Province, in the last 2 years, there ar ...
问题多 发表于 2010-7-9 19:08

    and the results of those law suits are... ?

a revolution is probably what the NGOs are hoping for.

UWB

That is a mostly read by Labour loyalists. Its biased stand is known in Britain. That is why i ...
问题多 发表于 2010-7-9 19:04

   i have no knowledge of such 'academic circle', so can't comment on that. In any case, i'd probably just wink back

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and the results of those law suits are... ?

a revolution is probably what the NGOs are hopin ...
UWB 发表于 2010-7-9 19:18

by the way, where did you get the information on NGOs' scope of business?  they do not deal with private businesses and individuals? that is their largest area of interests. but they mostly focus on how Chinese companies and multinationals in China deal with Chinese employees. you know why? hehe

Do you mean that a law suit has to be in favour of one side? my understanding is the results depend on the law not on who sues who. at least after hundreds of ordinary people's law suits against the government, China is the ONLY country in the developing world and among many developed countries that actually compensate the displaced residents during urban regeneration according to the standard set by the World Bank and ADB. guess what? more activists swamp to China to work on demolition cases and more western media coverage of these cases than in the past. why? it is NOT because China has the worst record on this. it is because Chinese government bothers to listen to them. South Korea and Japan do not give a damn about the displaced but the international NGOs are not so keen on them at all. it is just because these two countries governments are more heavy handed. NGOs choose easy targets. otherwise, they cannot make a living out of this. sad, that is the theme happens repeated in China, India and other developing countries.

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here is another example of typical Guardian bias, not written by a Chinese
http://chinageeks.org/2010/04/bo ... als-guardians-bias/

UWB

by the way, where did you get the information on NGOs' scope of business?  they do not deal with p ...
问题多 发表于 2010-7-9 19:39

    I get my impression from my biased and limited scope of news reading. When someone cries human rights and violation of freedom of speech, it often turns out to be about individuals are oppressed by the government.

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I get my impression from my biased and limited scope of news reading. When someone cries huma ...
UWB 发表于 2010-7-9 19:47

corporation social responsibility has a large chunk about human rights. the relationship between companies and their employees and the people affected by them.

UWB

corporation social responsibility has a large chunk about human rights. the relationship between ...
问题多 发表于 2010-7-9 19:55

    you have to elaborate on how this is related to freedom of speech.

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you have to elaborate on how this is related to freedom of speech.
UWB 发表于 2010-7-9 19:57

1. she has the right to express her personal feelings over any person's death.2. she is fired for expressing her feelings.

her right to freedom of speech is violated.

this is like a woman, who has the right to maternity leave, takes the leave, but she is fired. then she can sue the employer for breaching her right.

UWB

1. she has the right to express her personal feelings over any person's death.2. she is fired for ...
问题多 发表于 2010-7-9 20:04

    uh.. I was referring to your previous post, and hoped that you could elaborate on how this large chuck of corporate social responsibility is related to freedom of speech.

UWB

1. she has the right to express her personal feelings over any person's death.2. she is fired for ...
问题多 发表于 2010-7-9 20:04

    and look, as a CNN senior news editor, what you twit (hence can be read by a large audience) is no longer an expression of personal feelings. As a matter of fact, i don't even know if what she writes on her Facebook page, if she has one, can be personal either.