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发表于 2011-11-4 09:38:34 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
俺们在中国的时候,中国停电。(现在还停么?有谁知道)
俺们来到米国,米国停电。

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Unable-to-pay-bill-Mich-city-apf-2920161472.html?x=0

HIGHLAND PARK, Mich. (AP) -- As the sun dips below the rooftops each evening, parts of this Detroit enclave turn to pitch black, the only illumination coming from a few streetlights at the end of the block or from glowing yellow yard globes.
It wasn't always this way. But when the debt-ridden community could no longer afford its monthly electric bill, elected officials not only turned off 1,000 streetlights. They had them ripped out -- bulbs, poles and all. Now nightfall cloaks most neighborhoods in inky darkness.
"How can you darken any city?" asked Victoria Dowdell, standing in the halo of a light in her front yard. "I think that was a disgrace. She said the decision endangers everyone, especially people who have to walk around at night or catch the bus.
Highland Park's decision is one of the nation's most extreme austerity measures, even among the scores of communities that can no longer afford to provide basic services.
Other towns have postponed roadwork, cut back on trash collection and closed libraries, for example. But to people left in the dark night after night, removing streetlights seems more drastic. And unlike many other cutbacks that can easily be reversed, this one appears to be permanent.
The city is $58 million in debt and has many more people than jobs, plus dozens of burned-out or vacant houses and buildings. With fewer than 12,000 residents, its population has dwindled to half the level from 20 years ago.
Faced with a $4 million electric bill that required $60,000 monthly payments, Mayor Hubert Yopp asked the City Council to consider reducing lighting. Council members reluctantly approved it, even in an election year.
"We knew it was going to hurt," Councilman Christopher Woodard said. "We're all hurting."
In late August, contractors from DTE Energy Co. began rolling through the streets, taking out two-thirds of the light poles.
"It is a winning proposition, but that doesn't make it a winner with the citizens who find themselves in the dark," Woodard added. "We had to watch our backs when we got out of our cars before. Now we have to watch them even more closely."
Unless the government gets an unexpected infusion of cash or sees an uptick in its dying tax base, many parts of Highland Park will remain beneath a shroud every night.
The city's monthly electric bill has been cut by 80 percent. The amount owed DTE Energy goes back about a decade, but utility executives hesitated to turn off the juice.
"We are extremely concerned with public safety," said Trevor Lauer, vice president of marketing and renewables for the Detroit-based utility. "We recognize that street lighting is something that contributes to public safety."
Now, he said, the company has "a municipal lighting customer I'm confident can pay its monthly bill."
Most of the 500 streetlights still shining in Highland Park are along major streets and on corners in residential areas. DTE Energy has listed the city's overdue bill as an uncollectable expense.
The leader of a nonprofit group that works to reduce energy costs for low-income families said he's not heard of any other communities becoming so desperate to save money that they turned off streetlights. It might be a sign of things to come.
"If it works in Highland Park, I could not imagine other cities not looking at that as one option," said David Fox, executive director of the National Low Income Energy Consortium in Alexandria, Va.
In its heyday, Highland Park was one of Michigan's urban jewels, with large yards, spacious homes and tree-lined streets.
Henry Ford put his first moving assembly line here, and his factory eventually churned out a car every minute. By 1930, the city had grown to 50,000 people.
Ford later moved his primary manufacturing operations to River Rouge, southwest of Detroit, in search of room to expand. Highland Park survived that loss. But it never recovered from Chrysler's decision in the 1990s to move its world headquarters 50 miles north to Oakland County.
"That took away $6 million" in taxes, Woodard said. "That was a lot of money to not have anymore. It was a major industrial operation moving out of here. When Chrysler moved out, things started to happen."
Small businesses catering to Chrysler workers began to fail, and the city struggled to pay its bills. And like Detroit, which lost 250,000 residents from 2000 to 2010, people moved out, leaving hundreds of abandoned houses.
In 1980, the census counted 27,000 people living in Highland Park. By 2010, that number had fallen to 11,776.
The median household income is $18,700, compared with $48,700 statewide. And 42 percent of the city's residents live in poverty.
"It's pretty ghetto," Cassandra Cabil said from her front yard. Voices drift in the darkness from down the street, but the speakers can't be seen.
The 31-year-old short-order cook works odd hours and sometimes makes it home late at night. She watched recently as crews removed the streetlight and pole from in front of her rented home.
"It's really dark unless people have their lights on," she said. "There's a lot of vandalism going on, people breaking into these houses."
发表于 2011-11-4 10:49:25 | 显示全部楼层
收不回电费就整条街断电,甚至拆路灯拔电杆。可见经济链已经断了。。。。

底特律的今天很可能就是美国的明天。。。。。

老柞要赶紧准备后路。

选项 1: 打道回府。不让办杂志就算了,不办也没啥。在中国穷的时候你到了米国,在米国穷的时候你回到中国。总的来说你还是赚了的。

选项 2: 虚心向袜贩学习,专制有利于发展经济,赶紧参加华尔街占领,推翻民主,建立专制,还来得及。。。。。
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发表于 2011-11-4 11:03:35 | 显示全部楼层
收不回电费就整条街断电,甚至拆路灯拔电杆。可见经济链已经断了。。。。

底特律的今天很可能就是美国的明 ...
澳洲大头 发表于 2011-11-4 10:49


你还真别说,现在其实西方对其自由经济的思想已经产生了怀疑。对华尔街的放纵将可能成为历史。或许政府会更多的规范经济和金融。这其实不是中国在做的嘛? 从97年亚洲金融风暴,到01年以后网路泡沫的全面破裂,再到华尔街金融危机和最近的危机,每次都有人预言中国经济会有麻烦,但中国总体来说没有经历大的波折。如果这次能够闯过去,就更加证明了政府对经济的适当监管与引导,是经济与金融稳定的有效保证。


人们经常谈论龙象之争,其实印度除了金融和软件以外,其它行业根本和中国没有可比性。其基础设施之落后严重制约了其它行业的发展。 这难道不是政府缺乏全面规划与引导造成的吗?
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发表于 2011-11-4 12:06:51 | 显示全部楼层
你还真别说,现在其实西方对其自由经济的思想已经产生了怀疑。对华尔街的放纵将可能成为历史。或许政府会 ...
袜贩 发表于 2011-11-4 11:03


好像不对,中国的经济恐怕更多的是“放”,而不是“抓”。中国现在的资本主义比西方的资本主义还资本主义。
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-11-4 12:12:33 | 显示全部楼层
好像不对,中国的经济恐怕更多的是“放”,而不是“抓”。中国现在的资本主义比西方的资本主义还资本主义 ...
澳洲大头 发表于 2011-11-4 12:06


那你的意思就是:
资本主义能救社会主义。
社会主义不能救资本主义。
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发表于 2011-11-4 12:26:26 | 显示全部楼层
那你的意思就是:
资本主义能救社会主义。
社会主义不能救资本主义。
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柞里子 发表于 2011-11-4 12:12


什么叫“主义”救“主义”?
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发表于 2011-11-4 12:33:22 | 显示全部楼层
好像不对,中国的经济恐怕更多的是“放”,而不是“抓”。中国现在的资本主义比西方的资本主义还资本主义 ...
澳洲大头 发表于 2011-11-4 12:06


你眼睛只用长焦镜头盯着微观的东西,所以你看到的比资本主义更资本主义的东西是体现在微观层面的东西。换个广角镜头从宏观的角度看看好吗?中国政府对经济发展的把握比西方国家更有效率。它有很多办法鼓励一些行业,限制另一些行业。中国国务院下属的各部委也不完全是混饭吃的,他们肩负着各行业的发展规划。这样的好处是整个国家的经济有一个总体的规划,再加上一党制,没有政府更替的担忧,政策的连续性更好。要知道,宏观经济需要长远的规划和政策的连续。而西方国家随着不同的政党上台,因为意识形态的不同,经济政策也经常南辕北辙,造成的后果就是更多的是短期行为,较少长期规划。

澳洲有这些得到所有政党支持,能够摆脱政党意识形态,客观的做长期规划的部门吗?
而且,民主制度在经济方面的一大缺陷就是候选人乱开支票,选后真要履行承诺,就会造成严重的财政超支。希腊在很大程度上既是如此。
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发表于 2011-11-4 12:42:47 | 显示全部楼层
你眼睛只用长焦镜头盯着微观的东西,所以你看到的比资本主义更资本主义的东西是体现在微观层面的东西。换 ...
袜贩 发表于 2011-11-4 12:33


广角也看不出来。 官员们除了腐败包二奶外关心的是政绩工程。长远的东西比如环境问题就成了“弱项”。。。。。。

我的看法正好相反。经济的发展是人民创造的。勤劳聪慧的中国人在被禁锢了半个世纪后,能量像火山一样喷发出来。是他们创造了中国的今天,而那些贪官污吏却正在吞噬他们的成果。。。。。。

呵呵,大老粗,话说的比较极端一点。大概就是这个意思。
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发表于 2011-11-4 12:57:28 | 显示全部楼层
广角也看不出来。 官员们除了腐败包二奶外关心的是政绩工程。长远的东西比如环境问题就成了“弱项” ...
澳洲大头 发表于 2011-11-4 12:42


你这些话就是从网上的愤青那里抄来的,你真的和那些中国政府的官员接触过吗? 知道他们每天在干什么吗? 知道他们的工作对经济发展的影响吗?

大清帝国时,没有人对经济横加干预和限制吧? 中国从康熙年间的占世界36%的经济实力下降到不足10%。一直到文革结束时好像只有4%左右。你能说大清帝国的中国人懒惰?


宏观经济这个东西不能管的太死(中国50年代到80年代),也不能放任自流。这已经是被证明了的东西。连美国这个最崇尚自由经济的国家也要靠联邦储备委员会的利率对经济进行调整。


环保的问题其实相当的复杂。你如果到过印度就知道了。印度经济改革起步才不过10年,它的制造业(最容易产生污染的方面)规模远不及中国,但污染情况直追中国,大有后来居上的趋势。
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发表于 2011-11-4 13:06:54 | 显示全部楼层
你这些话就是从网上的愤青那里抄来的,你真的和那些中国政府的官员接触过吗? 知道他们每天在干什么吗?  ...
袜贩 发表于 2011-11-4 12:57



瞎说。哪一句是抄的?你找个出处我看看。。。。。

至于了解吗。。。。。。嘿嘿,都啥时代了,还能随便上当受骗不成?老同学就被双规了。。。。。
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发表于 2011-11-4 17:39:19 | 显示全部楼层
你还真别说,现在其实西方对其自由经济的思想已经产生了怀疑。对华尔街的放纵将可能成为历史。或许政府会 ...
袜贩 发表于 2011-11-4 11:03



    就是要民主的社会主义!!
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发表于 2011-11-4 20:18:35 | 显示全部楼层
就是要民主的社会主义!!
UWB 发表于 2011-11-4 17:39


那你怎么不搬到希腊去啊,那绝对是民主的社会主义。
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发表于 2011-11-4 20:20:04 | 显示全部楼层
那你怎么不搬到希腊去啊,那绝对是民主的社会主义。
袜贩 发表于 2011-11-4 20:18


挪威比希腊有钱。 而且更社会主义。 就是冷点儿。度假去希腊好了。
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发表于 2011-11-4 20:26:30 | 显示全部楼层
挪威比希腊有钱。 而且更社会主义。 就是冷点儿。度假去希腊好了。 ...
UWB 发表于 2011-11-4 20:20


是靠卖坐吃山空赚来的吧?嘿嘿。
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发表于 2011-11-4 20:27:20 | 显示全部楼层
是靠卖坐吃山空赚来的吧?嘿嘿。
袜贩 发表于 2011-11-4 20:26



    又发现新山了。 够再吃一阵。。。
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